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<div class='messagehead'>12e van de zomer,  8 september 2019</div>
<div class='messagehead_verse'>Lucas 14,25-35</div>
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<div class='messagestart'>Inleiding</div>
<div class='messagestart_text'>De radicaliteit van de navolging volgt om een doordachte afweging</div>
<div class='messagestart'>Vertaling</div>
<div class='message'><span class='versnummer'>25</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 0px;'>Er trokken vele<sup>1</sup>  menigten met hem<sup>2</sup>  mee. </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 36px;'>Hij wendde zich om<sup>3</sup>  </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 36px;'>en zei tot hen<sup>4</sup> : </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>26</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Als iemand bij mij komt<sup>5</sup> </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>en niet haat<sup>6</sup>  zijn vader, moeder, vrouw, kinderen, broers en zussen, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>ja zelfs zijn eigen<sup>7</sup>  ziel<sup>8</sup> , </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>dan kan die niet mijn leerling zijn. </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>27</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Wie niet zijn eigen kruis draagt </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>en achter mij komt<sup>9</sup> ,		</span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>kan niet mijn leerling zijn.</span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>28</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Want wie van jullie die een toren wil bouwen </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>gaat niet eerst zitten<sup>10</sup>  om de kosten te berekenen, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>of<sup>11</sup>  hij wel genoeg heeft om het af te maken<sup>12</sup> ? </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>29</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Als hij het fundament gelegd heeft </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>en niet in staat is het te voltooien, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>zullen allen<sup>13</sup>  die dat zien beginnen hem te bespotten </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>30</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>en zeggen: </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 76px;'>Die mens<sup>14</sup>  begon te bouwen,</span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 76px;'>maar was niet in staat het te voltooien<sup>15</sup> ! </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>31</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Of welke koning die eropuit trekt om een andere koning te treffen<sup>16</sup>  </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>om oorlog te voeren, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>zal niet eerst gaan zitten<sup>17</sup>  om te beraadslagen<sup>18</sup> </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>of hij in staat is om met tienduizend<sup>19</sup>  iemand te weerstaan<sup>20</sup> </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>die met twintigduizend op hem afkomt? </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>32</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Zo niet, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>dan stuurt hij, wanneer hij nog ver weg is<sup>21</sup> , </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>een delegatie<sup>22</sup>  om te vragen wat tot vrede leidt<sup>23</sup>  . </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>33</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Zo geldt dus ook voor ieder<sup>24</sup>  van jullie: </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>wie geen afstand doet van alles wat hemzelf toebehoort, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>kan mijn leerling niet zijn. </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>34</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Zout is dan wel iets goeds, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>maar als ook het zout flauw wordt<sup>25</sup> , </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>waarmee kan het dan gekruid worden<sup>26</sup> ? </span>
<br><span class='versnummer'>35</span><span style='padding: 0 0 0 20px;'>Noch voor het land<sup>27</sup>  noch voor de mestvaalt<sup>28</sup>  is het geschikt, </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>ze gooien het weg naar buiten. </span>
<br><span style='padding: 0 0 0 56px;'>Wie oren heeft om te horen, moet horen<sup>29</sup> !’</span>
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<div class='noottable'><table><tr><td class='nootnummer'>1</td><td class='noot'>geen ‘grote’ (NBV),&nbsp;&nbsp;het zijn er ‘vele’; geeft toch een andere uitstraling</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>2</td><td class='noot'>Lucas zegt hier niet ‘Jezus’, zoals de NBV vertaalt; heeft dat een reden? Die vraag moet gesteld kunnen worden</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>3</td><td class='noot'>er zit iets van omkeer in, meer dan in het wat ambtelijke ‘wendde zich tot’ (NBV)</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>4</td><td class='noot'>verdwenen in de NBV, maar hier richt Jezus zich tot een andere ‘doelgroep’ dan in het voorafgaande</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>5</td><td class='noot'>waar haalt de NBV ‘volgt’ vandaan? Niet alles op een grote parafraserende hoop gooien…</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>6</td><td class='noot'>laat ik bewust vooraan staan, om het sterke van dit woord te benadrukken; de NBV durft het woord niet aan, vertaalt ‘breekt met’, is een verzwakte parafrase</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>7</td><td class='noot'>met nadruk</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>8</td><td class='noot'>zegt toch meer dan ‘leven’ (NBV)</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>9</td><td class='noot'>de NBV verzint weer slordig / onverschillig: ‘op mijn weg volgt’</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>10</td><td class='noot'>verdwenen in de NBV</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>11</td><td class='noot'>NBV vult aan ‘om te zien of…’</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>12</td><td class='noot'>het gaat juist om het ‘afmaken’, niet om de ‘bouw’ (NBV)</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>13</td><td class='noot'>meervoud, is sterker dan ‘iedereen’ (NBV)</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>14</td><td class='noot'>waarom maakt de NBV hier een man van? Is seksistisch</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>15</td><td class='noot'>zelfde woord als in vs. 29, NBV vertaalt ‘afmaken’</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>16</td><td class='noot'>verdwenen in de NBV</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>17</td><td class='noot'>weer verdwenen in de NBV</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>18</td><td class='noot'>de NBV voegt toe ‘bij zichzelf’; zou zo’n koning geen dienaren hebben?</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>19</td><td class='noot'>NBV voegt ‘man’ toe, is begrijpelijk voor gangbare oorlogsverslaggeving</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>20</td><td class='noot'>NBV neutraal ‘optrekken’, terwijl het gaat om de botsing</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>21</td><td class='noot'>NBV omslachtig ‘wanneer de troepen nog ver van elkaar verwijderd zijn’</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>22</td><td class='noot'>functioneel woord, geen persoon, zoals NBV ‘gezant’</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>23</td><td class='noot'>NBV ‘de voorwaarden voor vrede’ riekt naar onderwerping, ‘wat tot vrede leidt’ is uit op gelijkwaardig onderhandelen</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>24</td><td class='noot'>verdwenen in de NBV</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>25</td><td class='noot'>NBV ‘zijn smaak verliest’ is abstracter</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>26</td><td class='noot'>NBV ‘hoe kunnen we…’? waar komt die 1e persoon opeens vandaan</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>27</td><td class='noot'>is een fundamenteel bijbels woord, meer zeggend dan ‘grond’ (NBV)</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>28</td><td class='noot'>de NBV ziet over het hoofd dat het zout dan zelfs niet meer op de mestvaalt past</td></tr><tr><td class='nootnummer'>29</td><td class='noot'>de NBV wisselt ‘horen’ en ‘luisteren’, daardoor verliest de uitspraak aan kracht</td></tr>
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	<br>Laatste wijziging 11 Sep 2019 10:21:34
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<span class='symbols'>b</span> om te reageren.<br>Andere vertalingen: <a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=323' title='Lees Lucas! 2007-09-09 / Marianne Storm'>Luc. 14,25-33</a> [Evangelie] , <a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=1184' title='Lees Lucas! 2010-09-05 / Marianne Storm'>Luc. 14,25-33</a> [Evangelie] , <a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=1837' title='Lees Lucas! 2013-09-08 / leenderonde'>Luc. 14,25-33</a> [Evangelie] niet van jezelf...., <a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=2424' title='Lees Lucas! 2016-09-04 / fcderonde'>Luc. 14,25-33</a> [Evangelie] , <a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=3391' title='Lees Lucas! 2022-09-04 / joepdubbink'>Luc. 14,25-33</a> [Evangelie] </div><p>
<div class='table_groen'><center>12e van de zomer - groen</center>Geen afbeelding opgegeven. <p><p>Overige teksten:<p><a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=2975' title='Lees 1 Samuël! 2019-09-08 / Joop'>1Sam. 16,1-13</a> [OT-alt]<br><a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=2996' title='Lees Lucas! 2019-09-08 / harrypals'>Luc. 14,25-35</a> [Evangelie]<br><a href='https://schriftlezing.nl?who=0&go=6&ID=3013' title='Lees Deuteronomium! 2019-09-08 / siebert-hommes'>Deut. 30,15-20</a> [OT]<br></div></td>
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